On august 31, 2016, fca issued tsb 21016 discussing the quick learn procedure for 9speed transmission problems in the 2016 model year and what to do if customers indicate that their transmission shift quality may be erratic two tsbs released in 2017 tsb 1801817 and tsb 2100817 discuss issues related. Im able to read the ecm and tcm however im not seeing any additional options for the. The ninespeed transmission manufactured by zf friedrichshafen ag, for honda and acura uses 16 percent less fuel than a sixspeed at constant speeds, although it. Jeep 9speed needs a reset again 3rd software upgrade software tweak aims to smooth out issues with cherokee shifting the dog clutch is the linchpin that allows chryslers ninespeed transmission to be so compact.
March 2, 2018 a chrysler 9speed zf 9hp transmission lawsuit may. Day to day driveability feels remarkably similar as the zf starts in 2nd gear in d, so really a 7 speed as 9th doesnt kick in until expressway speeds. Zf 9 speed transmission programming purchased 4 additional credits to unlock the tcm on my 2016 cherokee v6 3. The 8 speed is a rear wheel drive transmission intended for performance and luxury cars. So how is the 8 speed hyundai transmission holding up. Com one of chryslers most ambitious features of the jeep cherokees rebirth in 2014 was its standard and highly technical ninespeed automatic transmission from zf. Their trannys caused serious problems to jaguars and bmws large sedans all throughout the 2000s. Zf recalls ninespeed automatic for random drops into neutral. My wifes bmw x3 has the zf 8 speed and its by far the best automatic transmission ive ever driven. All about the zf 9hp 9 speed automatic transmission youtube. Dec, 2018 they commissioned zf friedrichshafen group lets just call em zf to build the first 9speed automatic transmission for a consumer vehicle. Oct 18, 2017 the zf 9 speed transmission, created to increase vehicle performance level and fuel efficiency on the road, has continued to be problematic for certain jeep, chrysler, acura, fiat.
Dealer could find no issue, all software up to date. The reason zfs 8speed 8hp doesnt have the same delta in performance over the average 6speed as the 6speed had over the 4speed, is easy to explain. Therefore, the zf unit has lower numerically higher first gear and a. Honda pilot 2017 transmission problem lampe youtube. Aug 09, 2016 zf recall hits 505,000 vehicles with 9 speed automatic transmission faulty control sensor could cause the transmission to randomly drop into neutral while driving by zac palmer. The acura mdx has the same issues and the same 9 speed transmission.
Yes, the transmission fluid for the 9 speed transmission which your 2016 touring model has does require the honda 3. Oct 16, 2014 i like how the 9 speed works in my trailhawk. Zf 9speed automatic transmission for chrysler and dodge cars. I like the 9 speed but im a zf fanboy after owning 2 rams with the zf 8. The 8hps ratio spread is 7, just 1 higher than a 6 speed while the 6speeds had a 3 point advantage over the 4speeds. A nice explanation of the zf 9 speed acura tlx forum. After experiencing problems with the fiat chrysler ninespeed zf 9hp automatic. What you need to know about zfs recent 9speed recall if youre the owner of a jeep cherokee, chrysler 200, jeep renegade, or ram promaster that rolled off the assembly line during 2014 or 2015 and is equipped with a 9speed transmission, you may have recently been surprised by a letter informing you of a transmission recall. I did have issues even reading the file to begin with and did submit a ticket. Owned a 2015 mdx and a 2017 pilot exl, the latter i chose specifically because i didnt like the performance of the mdx 9 speed.
Problems with the zfdesigned ninespeed automatic transmission are. Like many of you on the forum, i leave my tlx in sport mode for more responsive shifting. Its unusual that there is so many that appear to be happy with the 9 speed while some have very real problems with it. Zf has said this is due to software problems, not mechanical issues. Zf ninespeed transmission problems, recalls and praise. Zfmopar 9speed fixed, v8s to continue allpar forums. Aug 09, 2016 fivespeed automatics have given way to six, seven, eight, and ninespeed gearboxes, with a new 10speed transmission becoming available for 2017 in talk about an odd couple the ford f150.
Sep, 2016 its the new reality of smaller displacements, turbos, and multi speed transmissions. Honda lurches ahead with pesky 9speed transmission. By the way, the software updates are mostly 2016 my, our 2017 was great out of the box. In 2015, zf supplied tips for driving cars equipped with its 9speed automatic and said american driving styles, and the transmissions adaptive learning could be attributed to lumpy shifts. Jan 25, 2016 the nine speed transmission manufactured by zf friedrichshafen ag, for honda and acura uses 16 percent less fuel than a six speed at constant speeds, although it takes some getting used to. This means there are enough gear ratios in this zf 9 speed transmission to provide. Each car manufacturer is responsible for creating the software that controls. The zf 9speed transmission, created to increase vehicle performance level and fuel efficiency on the road, has continued to be problematic for certain jeep, chrysler, acura, fiat. Fiat chrysler executives say they are straightening out software problems with the automakers ninespeed automatic transmission, but nagging issues persist. With the 2017 chrysler pacifica, has fca finally sorted the. Based on our experience, acura has made the right transmission choice for mdx.
At that time, a dozen owners reported vehicles shifting into neutral and poor shift quality. Fca and zf issue recall on ninespeed automatic transmission. Looks like the 8speed in house hyundai built transmission in our cars is holding up pretty well so far. Its the new reality of smaller displacements, turbos, and multi speed transmissions. The zf 9hp is a ninespeed automatic transmission built by zf. Rather than a physical fix, zf is issuing a software update to. This issue is related to an improper crimp on the transmission wiring harness. Zf 9speed automatic problems mount, chrysler releases third.
It is likely rough, under some conditions, because the intelligent learning system transmission and software was not able to coordinate the timing of brake in the transmission, clutch, and shift elements perfectly. My dealership assures me the new tranny will be fantastic. Our firm has handled over 1,000 claims dealing with the struggling performance of the zf 9 speed transmission. Apr 19, 2015 as to the zf 9 speed automatic transmission and ids. I wouldnt want a 9 speed auto anywayno need for more than 6 speeds. Jeep 9 speed needs a reset again 3rd software upgrade software tweak aims to smooth out issues with cherokee shifting the dog clutch is the linchpin that allows chryslers nine speed transmission to be so compact.
Gear issues anything helps thank you 2017 tlx shawd. A series of technical service bulletins tsb prove the problem persists. The transmissions are stopstart, hybrid, and allwheeldrive capable. Zf9 speed transmission problems continue to plague jeep. Dec 02, 2018 the 9 speed zf 9hp automatic transmission warranty will be extended to 6 years or 100,000 miles on the odometer, whichever occurs first. Jul 10, 2019 in 2015, zf supplied tips for driving cars equipped with its 9 speed automatic and said american driving styles, and the transmission s adaptive learning could be attributed to lumpy shifts. Aug 08, 2016 zf 9speed automatic problems mount, chrysler releases third software update jeep cherokee 9speed automatic gets second update for rough shifting ratios galore. Woes mount for 9speed automatic transmission, latest recall. Zf claims that it is able to save an average of 16% in fuel compared with current 6 speed automatic transmissions. Woes mount for 9speed automatic transmission, latest.
Zf 9speed automatic problems mount, chrysler releases. Im not sure how big of a fuel savings there is going from 8 speed to 9 speed. Jun 09, 2018 2017 honda ridgeline 2016 honda pilot transmission fluid and filter change, yes there is a filter. Hondas transmission issues can be traced all the way to the grenades they used in the 78 accord on forward. Nine things about the jeep cherokees ninespeed transmission. What you need to know about zf s recent 9speed recall if youre the owner of a jeep cherokee, chrysler 200, jeep renegade, or ram promaster that rolled off the assembly line during 2014 or 2015 and is equipped with a 9 speed transmission, you may have recently been surprised by a letter informing you of a transmission recall. March 2, 2018 a chrysler 9 speed zf 9hp transmission lawsuit may finally be reaching an end as. The zf 9hp is a ninespeed automatic transmission built by zf friedrichshafen ag subsidiary. The dealer said theyve seen at least 30 odysseys with the same issue. Agreed, but the update for the 2019 was both software and some internal parts details of exactly what that update was remain sketchy. And thats coming from a guy who doesnt necessarily like automatic transmissions. Fivespeed automatics have given way to six, seven, eight, and ninespeed gearboxes, with a new 10speed transmission becoming available for 2017 in.
Everything about your zf automatic transmission issues. All of the manufacturers program it to upshift as soon as possible for maximum efficiency and fuel economy. Sergio marchionne, ceo of fiat chrysler spoke with automotive news reporter larry vellequette about the future of v8 engines and the zf 9speed automatic used by chrysler. Zfs 9speed 9hp transmission puts dog clutches on the leash. The 9speed zf 9hp automatic transmission warranty will be extended to 6 years or 100,000 miles on the odometer, whichever occurs first. My test drive with it surely turned me away from the elite andor touring model that i had my sights set on. Many customers and critics have complained about this transmission, particularly in the popular cherokee. Gms new 9speed automatic explored indepth gm authority. Failure to use the correct fluid may affect the function or performance of your transmission. Woes mount for 9speed automatic transmission, latest recall covers. Another fix for jeeps troubled 9speed automotive news. With the 2017 chrysler pacifica, has fca finally sorted. All about the zf 9hp 9 speed automatic transmission duration. What you need to know about zfs recent 9speed recall.
Car and driver reported similar complaints and issues with many other vehicles equipped with the zfsourced 9speed automatic that range in. The crappy 9 speed transmission is one of the many reasons i avoided the 16 pilot. Zf 9 speed automatic transmission for chrysler and dodge cars at. Chrysler delayed the jeep cherokees launch to tweak the transmissions software.
The day after the update, the car basically locked up on her on the highway. Especially in a zf 9 speed where 678 9 are overdrive gears and would require downshifting more than 1 gear to achieve a reasonable rate of acceleration. The cherokee and renegades 9speed transmission suffers from hard shifts. Chrysler delayed the jeep cherokees launch to tweak the transmission s software. We almost didnt buy the passport out of fear of the 9 speed, but its been great, no issues, and the extra gears really make a difference under load. Rather than a physical fix, zf is issuing a software update to remedy the problem. Mar 02, 2018 fca and plaintiffs work toward a settlement in jeep cherokee, renegade and chrysler 200 lawsuit. Today the dealer admitted that there is a known issue with the 9 speed transmission. Zf recalls ninespeed automatic for random drops into. Fca and plaintiffs work toward a settlement in jeep cherokee, renegade and chrysler 200 lawsuit. What you need to know about zfs recent 9speed recall my. It might have a slightly different feel in the other models since they use a different final drive gear. Chrysler 9speed transmission lawsuit awaits final settlement. Ninespeed 948te automatic transmission jeep renegade forum.
Fiat chrysler recalls nervous ninespeed transmission. Problems with the zfdesigned ninespeed automatic transmission are continuing to pile up, with customer complaints continuing to roll in regarding new jeep, chrysler, and acura models. Problems with the zf transmission surfaced first on the redesigned jeep cherokee in may 2014, months after fca delayed the new vehicles launch by several weeks to recalibrate the transmission software. Last month, jeep said it would recall 2014 cherokees equipped with a 3. When i test drove, the transmission easily could have been a kicker for me, it was not. Nov 14, 2016 all about the zf 9hp 9 speed automatic transmission duration. Zf 9speed automatic transmission for chrysler and dodge cars at. Im able to read the ecm and tcm however im not seeing any additional options for the transmission other than the 2 tabs as pictured below. The passport 9 speed performance is much better, its smoother, less sluggish from stopped position, littleor no jerkiness. The 9 speed is built for economy and is usually programmed by the vehicle manufacturers for economy. First, it delayed the cherokee release by several weeks 1. Zfs 9speed design gave decent acceleration to heavy vehicles while maintaining an extremely compact design.
There are software upgrades but they do not fix the problem. Since then the dealer has updated the software 3 more times, changed the valve body in the transmission and fixed some wiring issues. Everything about your zf automatic transmission issues posted by the brutal beemer on 20 january 2015 i have found this amazing article about the transmission in bmw e90s so im reposting it here in my blog with updated pictures and part numbers to match zf 6hp21. Some joyless people in this world cant let go of their crusade against the zf, for the rest the latest software solves any concerns. The transmission has a torque range between 280 and 480 nm. Fixing the issues nine speed tranny gets software and hardware updates.
For our van, the transmission has difficulty selecting the proper gear. I have only 2,000 miles under my belt on the zf 9 speed but did 70k with the 6 speed on my 2017. Fiat chrysler agrees to classaction settlement, but transmission. We, the undersigned, represent a group of owners who purchased the allnew acura tlx in 2015 and are seeking action from acura to remedy poor transmission performance. The ridegline had some weird hesitation issues around the time of the first trans oil change, that the new oil resolved. Honda lurches ahead with pesky 9speed transmission chicago. Complex designs tend to come with complex problems. Zf unveiled the worlds first ninespeed transverse automatic transmission in june 2011, starting production in 20. Why does the new 9speed auto in certain chrysler, jeep, honda, acura, fiat and range rover products feel unusual. For owners, how is the 9 speed transmission in the passport. Zf recall hits 505,000 vehicles with 9speed automatic transmission faulty control sensor could cause the transmission to randomly drop into neutral while driving by zac palmer.
The gears have a wideratio spread, roughly 50% more than the average 6speed or cvt. Purchased 4 additional credits to unlock the tcm on my 2016 cherokee v6 3. Zf 9speed automatic transmission for transverse engines. As to the zf 9 speed automatic transmission and ids. I question gms and fords enthusiasm over their claimed 7. Zf 9speed automatic problems mount, chrysler releases third software update jeep cherokee 9speed automatic gets second update for rough shifting ratios galore. Source, who is knowledgeable about the taxi torture test being conducted.
We found the 9 speed and ids system to work flawlessly, and did. Does anyone know why acura didnt use the zf 8 speed transmission instead. Had marchionne said the 9 speed is still having issues only 3 months before the new minivan is revealed, it would be a cloud over the unveiling. Zf 9hp automatic the allnew 2014 jeep cherokee was noteworthy for showing off the worlds first ninespeed automatic transmission produced by german transmission pioneer zf. Feb 04, 2015 problems with the zf designed nine speed automatic transmission are continuing to pile up, with customer complaints continuing to roll in regarding new jeep, chrysler, and acura models. It didnt take long for the transmission to start causing problems. Com one of chryslers most ambitious features of the jeep cherokees rebirth in 2014 was its standard and highly technical ninespeed automatic transmission from zf friedrichshafen ag. Especially in a zf 9 speed where 6789 are overdrive gears and would require downshifting more than 1 gear to achieve a reasonable rate of acceleration. Way before i got my 2015 genesis i researched common issues and recall seeing a number of 2012 transmission failures on the gen 1 board, which was the first year of the inhouse transmission. Fixing the issues ninespeed tranny gets software and hardware updates.
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